Zochrot

"And what if you get arrested?"

Can you please tell me where is it?
Can you please tell me where is it?

"How will I get to the airport?" My girlfriend was concerned as we made our way to the annual activity at Zochrot – commemorating the Nakba on Independence Day eve. "You've got nothing to worry about. Our activity is publicized every year. Everything is transparent. And the police never bothered us". I was trying to set her mind at ease, of course, but I really thought there was no chance the police would prevent us from performing this symbolic protest on a Tel Aviv street. We're doing this every year on Independence Day eve and there was never any sign of violence, so why should the police intervene? I was wrong. Dead wrong.

The police were there en masse. About twenty police officers besieged the entrance to our building on 61 Ibn Gabirol St. with video cameramen and projectors, and even blocked the exists to the neighboring courtyards. We came down to them armed with our own cameras to try and understand what they wanted. They told us that they would not let us out for our street activity because it is liable to disrupt public order. Our claims that public order was never disrupted in activities such as this fell on deaf ears. They said that this time there could be violence because our materials were seditious.

Seditious?! We were pretty shock at this definition of the hundreds of communities destroyed by Israel at the Nakba as "seditious". We showed them the papers with the communities' names on them and asked to know what was seditious about them. 

Adv. Gaby Lasky also made clear to the police officers that they were not allowed to imprison us, and cannot force whoever wanted to get out of the building to identify himself because there was no suspicion that we were breaking the law in any way. This didn't help either. They kept us imprisoned in the street until 2am.

We were close to the police checkpoints that inspected entrants to the celebrations area. Two police checkpoints for two different types of segregation.

We stood in front of the policemen with the names of the destroyed villages and towns, which made many passersby interested and react in different ways. Many came to support us from outside. One of them, Yuval Halperin, began reading aloud the names of communities destroyed in the Nakba from Dan Yahav's book, Jaffa, Bride of the Sea. Within two minutes he was arrested and taken away in a police van. Two other supporters were arrested using excessive violence. 

I'm trying to understand this intensification in police disruption to Zochrot's activity. I believe that the relevant context is the failure of the Nakba Law to prevent people from commemorating the Nakba on Independence Day. This anti-democratic law seeks to intimidate and threaten anyone seeking to commemorate the Nakba, particularly on Independence Day. But the state has realized that the law does not work and commemorating the Nakba continues, with more and more Israelis participating every year. Therefore they decided to send the police to physically prevent our activity in advance. 

We shall see whether we manage to prove in court that the police's actions were illegal. Clearly, they turned the event into a public spectacle covered by multiple media, and the large crowd that gathered turned it into a sort of demonstration, with the police officers being part of it. 

On the way to the airport I told my girlfriend that I received the most exciting update that night from my 8½ year-old son, Noam: "Bayern München beat Real Madrid and will join Chelsea in the Champions League final. At the end of the game, Ronaldo left the field with a defeated look on his face". She laughed on commented once more on my football mania. 

On the way to the airport I missed the right exit from the highway. I realized then that this evening had made me very confused. I got to the airport late, only to hear the security guard ask her the usual racist question, "What's the origin of your family name?"

 

 

Translation to English: Amy Asher

16 comments

Qi gong w Gdyni wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

Thank you very much for that astonishing article

Diki wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

, It’s an ideology that has cotemtmid crimes against Palestinians and continues to inherently give Jews elite privileges over Palestinians. Zionism = Colonialism ..How so? Because she says so i guess. We can all say inflammatory untruths. Is the writer not Jewish..? Does she wish to help saw the branch that gives her cover. If Zionism is colonialism to her then Liberalism is Fascist Totalitarianism to me because that is the type of treatment the Jewish people will recieve if they continue to cow-tow to these sorts of well-intended, but naive folks, that dont see the hate that exists in the Arab world and mankind.I applaud her for trying to be a peace-maker for sure though .I know, real consolation brother'.As to Palestine this to me is a Jordanian issue. Where are the Jordanians on this subject, it was going to be the partition in that Trans-Jordan where Israel would get part of her boundary right? And why did Jordan expatriate so many of her own people to match the population with Israel so that we now have a Palestinain problem .Ok, now the registered Independent political part of me: The Palestinians are human beings whatever term we use. They are too children of Abraham and ultimately God. So I do care what happens, and my frustration is with Jordan and those who do not point to them and confront their leadership Let us divide their Kingdom in two. Move West-Bank to Jordan, and Gaza as well ok' .says me in my frustrated moments. It is wrong to ask Israel to shrink anymore.Silly American that I am.I am sure the gal means her best and so does all that have spent time, but some things just defy logic and the sin-nature of mankind which I bet she does not believe in Evil Well I do and those will separate our political worldviews and strategic ideas.Shukrun

Nona wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

Anti-zionists express much hate torawd Zionismwhy is it so many zionists can't seem to stop ascribing hatred torawd their adversaries? it's so cowardly. if you want to ascribe hatred focus on your own team, otherwise try using less inflammatory language.do not accept the zionist narrative as legitimatefine. i already adjusted my description down thread. but if i had a dollar for every time i have heard (paraphrasing) we made a state and they attacked' as if the early zionists had not vigorously started ethnically cleansing palestinians months prior to 5/14/48 my bank account would be bulging. you know it i know it everybody knows it.But the same problem exists in the arab world and among anti-zionists in the academy, sites like Mondo and elsewhere.that is a completely ridiculous assertion. let's review my claim: Non Zionist narrative is off limits in our mainstream American media. the power of the US wrt israel is dependent on american views therefore our mainstream american media is essential wrt maintaining an american zionist culture. this blog is not mainstream american media' so whining about how zionists are received here is irrelevant to my point. if you care to refute my point simply point to some msm american sources that give voice to a non zionist narrative. occasionally, rarely we here arab voices but very rarely if ever are non zionists jews or gentiles given a platform.there is no same' wrt cnn and mondoweiss, it is a false equivalency and everyone knows it. as far as the arab world is considered what does that have to do w/the american zionist culture? what kind of legitimacy' are you asking for or expecting from anti zionists? as an american i have a zionist narrative shoved down my throat from the msm 24/7 whether i like it or not.True peace will endure when both sides respect each other’s fears and hopes.the fear of the oppressor is worn thin. there's simply no evidence whatsoever if everyone bent over backwards and worshipped zionist fears they would give up their expansion. . this has to do w/'god's will'. this is who the zionists are in bed with and you're here whining at me. you aren't battling the zionist nutjobs, are you? and please do not ever pretend we have the same problem because the entire billion dollar media empire in this country is not empowering and supporting non or anti zionists, at all. our problem is vastly different because while we want inroads into the mainstream you want equal footing for legitimizing zionism on a blog. boo hoo.

Vidya wrote 2 years 21 weeks ago

The reason plepoe like Larry find themselves obliged to defend Zionism is that he and many others view it as “the right to exist” on this land. Larry assumes that if Israel stopped being a Jewish state, this “will bring on the exodus of the Jews.” Anything uttered against Zionism feeds right into this paradigm – a threat to Jewish existence. Abir, you know that I don't consider anything uttered against Zionism to be a threat to Jewish existence. Further, I don't think Zionism is about the Jews' right to exist on this land without Zionism, they could have gone on being a wary minority like they were throughout the Middle East, Europe and Russia, subject to the mood of the majority. The Jews were tired of that they wanted to have the security of being the majority in a land they had a historic claim to. That's what Zionism's about, and that's not immoral at all that's what every effing nation in the world has wanted. Larry is actually telling us that because they “started the war,” Palestinians deserve to live for the rest of their lives in exile. Can Gaza, the West Bank (including full control over Hebron and Bethlehem) and East Jerusalem (including equal access with Jews to the Holy Basin) rightly be called exile for the Palestinian refugees? In addition, I would like to ask Larry directly: what will you do if a given country decides today that the land of “Israel” belongs to its nation, and brings its plepoe to occupy and ethnically cleanse those who have lived here for 60 years. Abir, until the 47-48 war, the only ethnic cleansing was done by the Palestinians against the Jews in Jerusalem's Old City in 1920, in Jaffa in 1921, and in Hebron in 1929. Unlike typical foreign invaders, the early Zionists got their land by purchasing it, not by driving the inhabitants off. The fact is the violence was started by the Palestinians, the expulsions were started by the Palestinians, the Palestinians never gave the Jews reason to believe they could live there freely as minority (not that the Palestinians were unique in this), and the Palestinians were never ready to countenance Jewish statehood on any inch of land at any time. Again, Abir, I'm not saying that the Zionists were Boy Scouts by any means they used what they had to get what they wanted, just like the Palestinians. What I'm saying is that there were

Rahf wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

the above, my sort of Zionism, which has its historical aencetdents in a variety of Zionist thinkers, including some mainstream ones before 1942, has been read out of the Zionist tradition by ethnic exclusivist Zionists. Judah Magnes was a life-long Zionist, but he was considered to be an anti-Zionist by ethnic-exclusivist Zionists.I adhere to the title Zionist, because I agree with Magnes' variety of Zionism (more or less), and because I find certain elements of Zionism attractive. I find other elements of statist Zionist unattractive. And I find many elements of religious Zionism repulsive. (Full disclosure: I am an orthodox Jew.)As for the question whether liberal Zionist is an oxymoron certainly it is not. I feel, however, that many liberals and progressives are too quick to check their liberalism/progessivism at the door when it comes to Israel. Of course, they may not see it that way, but I do. The reason they do is because their tribal loyalties allow them to accept in Israel's case what they would not accept in other's case. And here we may start with the whole question of Jewish identity, which, in the case of Israel ethnicity, has a strong religious component. One can only become part of the Jewish nation, according to Israeli secular law, through religious conversion. The liberal Zionists out there should give me another example of a liberal nationalism that gives religion that role. And yet liberal Zionists like the philosopher Isaiah Berlin were able to compromise their liberalism on that point, although Berlin was uncomfortable with it.3) Adrian made two points I would like to respond to: first, why wasn't my d) compatible with liberal Zionism. Perhaps I should have explained by liberal Zionist I was referring to people who think like Larry Derfner. d) is compatible with that sort of liberal Zionism, of course, but it is not anywhere as robust as liberal Zionism, since it does not need a Jewish ethnic state, such as the one founded in 1948. As for Hamas Hamas has said that it was willing to have a long period of hudna/truce with a Zionist state under certain conditions (end of occupation and implementation of right of return). I am assuming that it would be more than willing to live in a binational Palestine, in which it would play some sort of political role, perhaps indirect, analogous to the anti-Zionist orthodox Jewish party Agudat Yisrael, which does not have ministers in the Zionist government for that reason, yet which participates in the political process in order to get funding for its sector. Needless to say, religious fundamentalists on both sides don't recognize any secular government as ultimately legitimate.

Chelsia wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

It's great to read something that's both enjoyable and porvdies pragmatisdc solutions.

Subira wrote 2 years 21 weeks ago

Anti-zionists express much hate twoard Zionismwhy is it so many zionists can't seem to stop ascribing hatred twoard their adversaries? it's so cowardly. if you want to ascribe hatred focus on your own team, otherwise try using less inflammatory language.do not accept the zionist narrative as legitimatefine. i already adjusted my description down thread. but if i had a dollar for every time i have heard (paraphrasing) we made a state and they attacked' as if the early zionists had not vigorously started ethnically cleansing palestinians months prior to 5/14/48 my bank account would be bulging. you know it i know it everybody knows it.But the same problem exists in the arab world and among anti-zionists in the academy, sites like Mondo and elsewhere.that is a completely ridiculous assertion. let's review my claim: Non Zionist narrative is off limits in our mainstream American media. the power of the US wrt israel is dependent on american views therefore our mainstream american media is essential wrt maintaining an american zionist culture. this blog is not mainstream american media' so whining about how zionists are received here is irrelevant to my point. if you care to refute my point simply point to some msm american sources that give voice to a non zionist narrative. occasionally, rarely we here arab voices but very rarely if ever are non zionists jews or gentiles given a platform.there is no same' wrt cnn and mondoweiss, it is a false equivalency and everyone knows it. as far as the arab world is considered what does that have to do w/the american zionist culture? what kind of legitimacy' are you asking for or expecting from anti zionists? as an american i have a zionist narrative shoved down my throat from the msm 24/7 whether i like it or not.True peace will endure when both sides respect each other’s fears and hopes.the fear of the oppressor is worn thin. there's simply no evidence whatsoever if everyone bent over backwards and worshipped zionist fears they would give up their expansion. . this has to do w/'god's will'. this is who the zionists are in bed with and you're here whining at me. you aren't battling the zionist nutjobs, are you? and please do not ever pretend we have the same problem because the entire billion dollar media empire in this country is not empowering and supporting non or anti zionists, at all. our problem is vastly different because while we want inroads into the mainstream you want equal footing for legitimizing zionism on a blog. boo hoo.

Claudio Chami wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

Jews were murdered by the million in Europe and it was the arabs in Israel who pressed with all their forces NOT to enable them to find refuge here, in Palestine Mandate. In our hour of most need, the arabs, most of them, starting by their leaders, were in the same line as the Nazis, in ideology and objectives.
But you insist that we should "ask" the arabs for permission to live here. Or who will exactly enforce the right of the Jews to  "live wherever they wish in this country, between the sea and the river". You? The Islamic Jihad? Hamas? The Palestinian Authority?
The P.A., the "most moderate of them all", has said many times that they "cannot guarantee the safety" of Jews who want to live freely, under their rule. I think that there is no need to say what Hamas would do, it is enough to read their Charter.

eytan wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

I see Claudio that you overcame the need to ask me what I think cause you know it already.So just to make sure:I'm against removal anyone from his home (as Colonialists usually do).It's true that I see a possibility of living in Gaza for Jews. As it was before Zionism destroyed this past reality. I think Jews should live wherever they wish in this country, between the sea and the river. Bur not as occupiers. Palestinians, including their descendants who wish that should enjoy exactly the same right. Not more, not less. As democracy should work.

Jitu wrote 2 years 21 weeks ago

Hello. I care about humankind, but I love my own group a bit more. I am more cobftroamle with them. I care more about them, just as I care more about my family than other families. I have heard similar views from others time and again. Here is one which remains peerless from the late Baruch Kimmerling, Prof. of Sociology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He was a favorite of the left, liberal, and reform minded Western folks, both Jewish and non-Jewish and he echoed the same sentiment thusly: “A person needs a state and land, and this is my land, my homeland, despite the fact that I was not born here. … What can I do? A person is closer to his own friends, tribe, and people. ”Below is fuller excerpt from his token concession to the natives (incidentally, Kimmerling never replied to my riposte even though I had emailed him…):“As a Jew, an atheist and a Zionist, I have two memorial days in my country, Israel. One for the Holocaust and one for soldiers who fell in wars. I also have one day of celebration, the anniversary of the day Israel declared its statehood. [...] Independence Day is a holiday for me, but also an opportunity for intense self-introspection. A person needs a state and land, and this is my land, my homeland, despite the fact that I was not born here. I am proud of the unprecedented accomplishments of this country, and feel personally responsible for its failures, foolishness, injustice, evil, and its oppression of its citizens and residents (Jewish, Arab, and others) as well as of those who are defined and defined themselves as her enemies. I know that my holiday, a day of joy and pride for me, is a day of mourning and tragedy for some of Israel’s citizens and, more so, for members of the Palestinian people everywhere. I know that as long as we, all Jews everywhere, do not acknowledge this, we will not be able to live here in safety, every man and woman under their vine and under their fig tree. Happy holidays, Israel.” (My Holiday, Their Tragedy, 2002.)“The transformation of the Holocaust into a solely Jewish tragedy, as opposed to a universal event, only weakens its significance and its legitimacy, tarnishing us and the memory of the victims. Likewise, its unnecessary overuse by Jews in Israel and the rest of the world, particularly political bodies, has made the Holocaust banal. Above all, a provocative and dangerous approach has bought a place in our hearts: that Jews, as the victims of the Holocaust, are permitted to treat goyim however they want. Forceful and condescending, “anti-gentile-ism” is identical to criminal anti-Semitism. … What can I do? A person is closer to his own friends, tribe, and people. Along with that, however, I cannot forget or refrain from mourning the victims of this bloody conflict and feel deep empathy with those who have suffered and still suffer as a result of the fatal encounter between Jews and Arabs in this land. I hope that the day will come when we will commemorate together and mourn together, Jews and Arabs alike, for all of the victims of the conflict. Only then will we be able to live together in this place in safety. … I know that as long as we, all Jews everywhere, do not acknowledge this, we will not be able to live here in safety, every man and woman under their vine and under their fig tree.” (Ibid.)In my view, the two-state mantra has always, and only, been the same as the binational state mantra, a Hegelian Dialectic, with the full intent of only, and only, having a Jews only state in Palestine all along. These mantras are the controlled dissent; the collection agents for the gullible goyem — all shades, worldwide.This statement of fact only becomes self-evident when it is meticulously deconstructed… until then it remains a potent weapon of mass deception.This deception is directly rooted in the very wording of the Balfour Declaration which is deconstructed here: print-humanbeingsfirst.blogspot.com/2011/07/response-to-alan-hart-by-zahir-ebrahim.html .The deconstruction of left-liberal Zionism is here: humanbeingsfirst.blogspot.com/2007/03/endless-red-herrings.htmlAnd one thing I finally figured out after being engaged with this issue for over three decades; ever since I came to the United States and started engaging in conversations with Jewish friends at college, co-workers, professors, authors, historians, and discovered that they often harbored different flavors of Zionism to effectively the same purpose whether they were religious, secular, liberal, conservative, atheist, left, right, orthodox, — didn’t seem to matter; and what I discovered to be the most stark is how they each, from their respective posititions, so magically managed to justify their claims to another’s land!If they were atheists like Leo Strauss, they killed god off after he had issued them land-grants on another’s soil:“in the age of atheism, the Jewish people can no longer base its existence on God but only on itself alone, on its labor, on its land, and on its state.”But if they still made pretenses at being god’s chosen peoples despite having killed god off, then like Golda Meir and David Ben Gurion, they respectively asserted:“This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.” (Golda Meir)“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” (David Ben Gurion)It took me many years to finally be able to sum it all up thusly:“Be it left-wing Zionism or right-wing Zionism, be it diplomatic Zionism or fighting Zionism, be it political Zionism, synthetic Zionism, military Zionism, friendly Zionism, tough-Zionism, gentle-Zionism, hard Zionism, soft Zionism, nihilist Zionism, spiritual Zionism, Labor Zionism, Likud Zionism, pre-Jewish State Zionism, or post-Jewish State Zionism, all remain expressions of tactics for translating motivational Zionism into empirical Zionism.” (Zahir Ebrahim, Pamphlet: How To Return to Palestine)I invite critique of this conclusion. Perhaps it is hasty Thank you.Zahir EbrahimProject Humanbeingsfirst.orgcomment for Shalom Rav A Blog by Rabbi Brant Rosen Article: Rabbi Eric Yoffie: “I Prefer to Live With Jews”

Phurbu wrote 2 years 21 weeks ago

Grazi for mikang it nice and EZ.

Claudio Avi Chami wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

Many years ago, when I noticed that you go more and more extremist, and call any city in Israel "a settlement", I asked you if your target is to destroy the Jewish country. You answered that no, that you didn't think that the Palestinian "refugees" wanted to come back in big numbers... it was only some kind of "symbolic" justice to recognize their tragedy.
Over the years you become more and more extremist, you now demand that each and every one of those "refugees" come back.
Should we erase all the cities and industries in Israel and put back what was here 100 years ago, two villages, three camels, four palestinians and five bedouins? Would you be happy in that case?
Keep on that line, each year more extremist. I wouldn't be surprised of seeing you becoming an islamist member of Islamic Jihad, sending people to explode themselves "to conmemorate the Naqba".
Learn a bit of history, Hamas leaders themselves affirm that "they have close tights" with EGYPT, as Arafat himself (let me remind you) was born in Egypt. In 1850 there were in all the lands, both the current Israel and the occupied territories, no more than 500.000 people. By the end of the XIX century their numbers where dwindling rapidly. Many of the villages you cry so much for were unexistant.
The Palestinians started to multiply because of many factors... perhaps the most important of them all: The starting of modern Zionism. 
You should go to Gaza and help them build there the marvelous country we all know, a democratic, free, modern Gaza, as we all see in the news. Don't waste your time anymore with the violent Zionists, Gaza is open for you and for all those that prefer Naqba Day to Independence Day. Probably you would prefer to see another history, the "Palestinians" victory in 1948, the end of the seventh million at that time at a way maybe similar to the ending of the other six million. In a parallel universe where most of the Jews of Palestine were obliterated as the Palestinians and arab leaders promised, you would surely be happy. Probably conmemorating the tragedy of the Jewish people on Palestine independence day. And you would be ridiculous in that Universe as you are in this one.

Von wrote 2 years 8 weeks ago

I'm Lebanese.I have no prelbom with Israel or Israelis. My only prelbom is with the government. I wish I could say that I don't care about politics but after meeting so many people whose homes were demolished in front of their eyes by bulldozers, whose family members and friends were slaughtered in the hundreds, who are being detained for years and years without charged, who can barely move within their own country because of the check points and who have had to live in terror of Israel attacking all their lives, I simply cannot ignore them. They know that where power and money is involved, no amount of international law, which Israel repeatedly violates on a daily basis, can save them.I would not have ignored South African Apartheid were I old enough to experience it (I'm 21). I would not have ignored Nazi, or British India, or British America or Fascist Italy, or Fascist Spain etc. and I cannot ignore Israel. It would be unfair and immoral of me to simply ignore those being slaughtered and those suffering from an on-going eradication and simply say let's love each other everything will be fine.I have no hatred towards Israelis and, contrary to popular, beliefs, I've rarely met any Anti-Semite from Lebanon. Let me remind you that Lebanese and all Arabs are Semites themselves. We are all Semites. I have met many Islamophobes within Lebanon (fundamentalist Christians). The Anti-semites that people think Lebanon has are actually Anti-Zionists. And how can you blame them? We've all met at least one Palestinian refugee.Palestinians are told over and over again that they are the prelbom. That there pathetic rockets and sticks and stones are the ones causing the conflict. Not Israel's tanks, missiles, nuclear and chemical weapons and their countless ammunition. No, sticks and stones.Most Palestinians I've met are filled with so much despair in a world where some of the most powerful nations view them as pests, rather than human being.I repeat. I have no prelbom with Israel. I've love to visit Tel Aviv someday but to say that somehow the prelbom we have is simply because not enough people love is very naive. Israel's government has to stop treating Palestinians like Pests, enclosing them in an open-air prison.

Luiza wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

."it will be endless war until Islam is no lgnoer a significant force in the middle east. There is no such people as "Palestinians" and the Muslim assholes who want to kill Jews will be defeated, no matter how long it takes. Tell me Ema, do you as a general rule promote evil over good? What is it about you libbies that you always side with tyranny?"it will be endless war until Islam is no lgnoer a significant force in the middle east.And you say I live in a fantasy world! Right. And _YOU_ want to impose this 'idea' from afar. Yuck, yuck.There is no such people as "Palestinians" ... really? So who are the people living in the Gaza Strip? (Prior to 1917, the territory that is called Palestine or Israel was ruled by the Ottoman Turkish Empire, and included several sanjaks or districts. The name Palestine, that was used by Roman and Arab rulers, was revived by the British, who received a mandate from the League of Nations to administer Palestine as a national home for the Jewish people.)Tell me Ema, do you as a general rule promote evil over good? Who is evil? Who is good?What is it about you libbies that you always side with tyranny? YOU are the one siding with Netanyahu against USA.Ema nymton~@:o?.

Redi wrote 1 year 48 weeks ago

"Ema", your rants are so full of error that I hardly know where to begin. The Romans reeamnd Israel after conquering it in war -- so what? They then sent the Jews into exile and now the Jews are back, and it is a good thing. The misplaced Arabs living in the Gaza strip have no homeland and deserve none -- they can return to the huge territories controlled by the barbarian Muslims. Their only desire to live in Israel is to destroy it.Don't tell me what I want to "impose;" I want to PREVENT the bigoted Muslims from destroying a nation and a people based on their hateful ideology. Giving the Muslims more territory in Israel will not bring peace, as the Muslims have no desire and no plan for peace; they were commanded by their false prophet to prevent any other religions in the Arabian Peninsula. Islam is the only religion that officially practices Jew hatred and Jewish genocide. The choice the Israelis have is to fight or die; those are their only two choices (dhimmitude, or Muslim slavery, would not count as a choice). Since you support, directly or indirectly, Israeli genocide, it is you who are clearly on the side of evil. Does your silly little signature (~@:o) indicate someone wearing a turban? You are a Muslim aren't you?I stand not against America but with over 70% of all Americans in my support of Israel, and against the anti-American, anti-Israel Marxist who now occupies the White House.

Shailesh wrote 2 years 21 weeks ago

Look, I as most of the world have seen the phtoos of the Holocaust. I have seen the phtoos of Jews being lined up at train stations and then herding them in the cattle cars.Yeah, the Germans were bad for doing it and all but I have to say when I first saw those phtoos my first reaction was WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE JEWS?They allow themselves to be herded into cattle cars as lambs to the slaughter what kind of people tolerate that happening to them?Instead of meekly submitting themselves to their fate they should have fought! When the Nazis came knocking on their doors they should have not been there. They should have had the place wired with explosives so when the stormtroopers came in looking for them BOOM!They should have gathered as many weapons as possible and then take the fight to the Nazis. Sure in the end they would have probably lost. The Nazis would have eventually killed them, but then again they died anyway.Look, given the very ugly choice I rather die on my feet fighting the bastards where I might have a chance, perhaps a small chance but a chance nonetheless to take a few of the bitches with me than just to meekly walk to my doom.Perhaps that sounds crazy to a Jew. That's your problem. You need to be a little crazy in this world.

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